Researcher says Microsoft's Windows Recall has security gaps "you can fly a plane through"

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Windows Recall: Microsoft says it's secure; security researchers say it's not, but does it matter? Windows Recall is a feature that takes screenshots of every moment you are on your computer to make that information available for Copilot searches. Is it a really useful feature, or is it just more AI rubbish being crammed down consumers' throats? Let us know in the comments.

Windows Recall stirred up controversy the moment Microsoft announced it, and with good reason. The feature is rolling out with the upcoming Copilot+ PCs and will constantly take screenshots of whatever you are doing. It stores these "snapshots," along with corresponding OCR (optical character recognition) files, to allow users to query Copilot to semantically search for things they were viewing or working on in the past.

Security-minded people and researchers immediately brought up privacy issues. However, Microsoft seemed to put that concern to bed, saying that all processing and data storage is local.

That's fine and good, but security researcher Kevin Beaumont says it's not enough. The feature is full of security holes. He believes Microsoft "should recall Recall and rework it to be the feature it deserves to be." Beaumont applauds Redmond for designing Recall to run on the edge, thus eliminating the possibility of cloud-based data leaks. However, its shortcomings make it a security "disaster."

For starters, Windows Recall stores its data in a wide-open SQLite plaintext database. While it is true that this is encrypted while logged out of Windows, this only protects it from someone physically stealing your computer, which Beaumont points out is not how hackers generally conduct their business. On the contrary, Recall is highly vulnerable to "InfoStealer trojans." Additionally, Recall does not censor or otherwise hide sreenshots containing sensitive information or credentials that may appear on screen.

"Encryption at rest only helps if somebody comes to your house and physically steals your laptop – that isn't what criminal hackers do," said Beaumont. "For example, InfoStealer trojans, which automatically steal usernames and passwords, [have been] a major problem for well over a decade – now these can just be easily modified to support Recall."

Furthermore, the unencrypted database files are simply stored in "AppData" in a new "CoreAIPlatform" folder. While this folder and the files it contains does require admin rights to access, Microsoft admits that most Windows users run as admins, so it's not really adequate security. Beaumont claims he accessed the files with only two lines of code that bypassed those protections.

"I'm not being hyperbolic when I say this is the dumbest cybersecurity move in a decade," he said on Mastodon.

"At a surface level, it is great if you are a manager at a company with too much to do and too little time as you can instantly search what you were doing about a subject a month ago. In practice, that audience's needs are a very small (tiny, in fact) portion of Windows userbase – and frankly talking about screenshotting the things people in the real world, not executive world, is basically like punching customers in the face [sic]."

Although most people won't have trouble finding the data on their own, Beaumont is responsibly withholding details on how he accessed Recall's data until Microsoft addresses the security gaps "you can drive a plane through."

Windows Recall is "optional" despite Microsoft enabling the feature by default. However, you can turn it off by navigating to the "Privacy & security" tab in Settings and toggling off "Save snapshots." Currently, the functionality is only helpful for a very small demographic, so the risks are not worth the rewards.

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So, there will be no Windows 11 for me, on my private machines.
I was wondering how Linux is going to increase its desktop penetration, now I know.
 
Hackers, micromanagers, authoritarian regimes, thin-skinned politicians, law enforcement agencies that think the Constitution does not apply to them - they will all love Windows Recall. Actual users/victims will not.
 
So, there will be no Windows 11 for me, on my private machines.
I was wondering how Linux is going to increase its desktop penetration, now I know.
Or instead of hyperventilating, you could simply disable the feature.

As for Linux, I've been hearing for 30 years now about how it's "going to increase desktop penetration". At the present rate of growth, it'll overtake Windows sometime around the year 2112.
 
Or instead of hyperventilating, you could simply disable the feature.

As for Linux, I've been hearing for 30 years now about how it's "going to increase desktop penetration". At the present rate of growth, it'll overtake Windows sometime around the year 2112.
Try to disable Edge as a feature;) - thankfully, after EU intervention, it became possible in this region.
as for linux penetration, it actually went up 20% in last 6 months, even more if we will count steam data, so while obviously below the competition, I switch to it 2 years ago and there is nothing I'm missing from either windows or macos.
 
as for linux penetration, it actually went up 20% in last 6 months, even more if we will count steam data.
The facts paint a rather different picture:

"....Linux hit a marketshare of 2.32% in the May 2024 Steam Hardware Survey... The last time it went over 2% was in February 2013 ... when it hit 2.02%."

Translation: in 11 years, Linux on Steam has gained a whopping 0.3% market share. In the desktop browser segment, Linux has done substantially better -- but the fact remains that over the last decade, OS X has gained much more market share than Linux has.

Personally after Windows 11, I'd love to see Linux supplant Windows. But it's not happening soon.
 
"As ever, it’s StatCounter bringing the data to the table via its February 2024 figures, marking a leap of the leap from 3% in just eight months when, previously, that 3% milestone took thirty years to reach."

yes, steam data is really weird. Depending on current state of the chinese internet coffees. And in 2013 steam was very different tool than today, I was rather thinking about steam in context of last 2 years or so.
 
Whenever you think some company thought of the stupidest thing ever, here comes another with something even worst
 
I was rather thinking about steam in context of last 2 years or so.
The growth of Linux on Steam in the last 2 years or so was entirely caused by the Steam Deck. Steam users aren't switching their desktops and laptops to Linux, they're just buying Steam Decks. Without the Deck, Linux would still be in the same 1%~1.5% range it was 2 years ago.
Also keep in mind that, compared to 2 years ago, the Windows user share did not decrease, it's still in the same ~96% ballpark. The growth of Linux on Steam has been at the expense of macOS, not Windows. That doesn't mean Apple users are switching to Linux, but it means Windows is also growing fast enough to maintain its share % while macOS was the only one whose growth stagnated.
Even your own StatCounter link shows the same thing. It shows Windows is also growing in that period, and it was macOS that shrank.
 
Aside from AI being complete BS, IMO, I don't think it's even possible for such a "feature" to be completely secure!
 
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The growth of Linux on Steam in the last 2 years or so was entirely caused by the Steam Deck. Steam users aren't switching their desktops and laptops to Linux, they're just buying Steam Decks. Without the Deck, Linux would still be in the same 1%~1.5% range it was 2 years ago.
I beg to differ. These gamers on reddit, there's plenty of threads where someone decided to finally switch, then were surprised at how smoothly everything went. Some even were running more exotic setups, like dual cards to run a triple or quad head, or using one card to game and one to offload their streaming or whatever, and were surprised they didn't have to futz with anything to get that to work. (I think the only points any more people sometimes have to futz is HDR and if someone has one of those like 480hz monitors they were sometimes having to futz to get them to run at that high a refresh rate.) Obviously these can't be too massive of numbers or the steam survey would show this big percentage change. But it's not like some rare event either.

I think the rate of this will increase -- a surprising number of people have zero interest in Win11, when Win10 goes out of support they are highly likely to at least try a live USB of a distro, throw steam on it, point it at their steam library and see how it runs a couple games.
 
I beg to differ. These gamers on reddit, there's plenty of threads where someone decided to finally switch, then were surprised at how smoothly everything went.
"I saw some threads on reddit" isn't data, it's just a few worthless anecdotes. Even if we're incredibly generous and say you saw 100 such threads on reddit, that's still only a whopping 0.0000625% of Steam's monthly active users.
All the actual data we need to see is right there on the Steam survey and StatCounter. Windows' userbase not shrinking, it is growing. Linux's is also growing, but that growth was at the expense of macOS, not Windows.
 
"I saw some threads on reddit" isn't data, it's just a few worthless anecdotes. Even if we're incredibly generous and say you saw 100 such threads on reddit, that's still only a whopping 0.0000625% of Steam's monthly active users.
All the actual data we need to see is right there on the Steam survey and StatCounter. Windows' userbase not shrinking, it is growing. Linux's is also growing, but that growth was at the expense of macOS, not Windows.
Well, you're the one who said the increase was ENTIRELY from Steam Deck and people switching from Macs; and now seem to assume every single person who switches from Windows must post on Reddit. Of course it's data; you claim these people don't exist and I point out "Here are some here."

Anyway, no matter. If people want to keep putting up with Microsoft's shenanigans, they can go ahead.
 
MS has had years to sort out search but failed miserably. Now AI comes along and they are so desperate to find some justification for the technology they shoehorn this nonsense in. In the rush to bolt it into their OS they have designed it horribly and we will have no choice about installing it.

A Mint install gets more appealing every day - just make the whole Proton/Lutris/Steam thing a bit more seamless and I'm out of there.
 
Well, you're the one who said the increase was ENTIRELY from Steam Deck
Because it was. Steam Deck is 45% of all Linux installs on the Steam survey. That means that out of the 2.32% Linux users, only about 1.27% are desktop users. Without the Steam Deck, the Linux user share is barely any higher than it was 2 years ago (1.12% in may 2022). The growth was pretty much just the Steam Deck.

and people switching from Macs
This shows you didn't even read my comment properly. Read it again.

Of course it's data; you claim these people don't exist and I point out "Here are some here."
And this shows you don't know what "data" means.
No, it is not data. It's literally the opposite of data, it's an anecdote with zero statistical value. For every reddit post or comment you can point to of someone saying they switched to Linux, I can point to another post or comment of someone saying they tried Linux and it was a bad experience. It's all anecdotes.
A single person's experience has essentially zero significance. For significant data you look at actual statistics like Steam's survey, StatCounter or Statista, which sample millions of users and compile the results.
It doesn't matter how many anecdotes you find on reddit to agree with you, when the actual data from Steam shows otherwise.
 
I can never believe what Microsoft says. They are out to make money and concern for my safety is not their concern.
 
Because it was. Steam Deck is 45% of all Linux installs on the Steam survey. That means that out of the 2.32% Linux users, only about 1.27% are desktop users. Without the Steam Deck, the Linux user share is barely any higher than it was 2 years ago (1.12% in may 2022). The growth was pretty much just the Steam Deck.


This shows you didn't even read my comment properly. Read it again.


And this shows you don't know what "data" means.
No, it is not data. It's literally the opposite of data, it's an anecdote with zero statistical value. For every reddit post or comment you can point to of someone saying they switched to Linux, I can point to another post or comment of someone saying they tried Linux and it was a bad experience. It's all anecdotes.
A single person's experience has essentially zero significance. For significant data you look at actual statistics like Steam's survey, StatCounter or Statista, which sample millions of users and compile the results.
It doesn't matter how many anecdotes you find on reddit to agree with you, when the actual data from Steam shows otherwise.
Again, you were the one claiming zero, and I'm showing that it's not. Of course that is data. And the Steam data doesn't contradict this, you are just assuming that new Linux users are coming from Macs when there's no way to look at these stats and determine where the users are coming from. (I wouldn't blame gamers from fleeing the Mac; MacOS design is making wine/Proton increasingly difficult and they have to convert everything to Metal, which at present makes DX12 gaming impossible. But I don't know that they are either.) I didn't try to make faulty extrapolations from my handful of data points like you did with the Steam Deck percentage.

How are you deciding that 45% of all Linux installs on the Steam Survey are Steam Decks? The only way to determine them is to look for "AMD Custom GPU 0405", and that shows 0.80%. (Anyone reading this might think, well there must be more Steam Deck users than that? Yes, apparently the Steam Hardware Survey only comes up if Steam is running in desktop mode.) Your off by a solid 10 percentage points. But, either way, the Steam Deck has sold several million units so it's still a healthy increase in number of users.

Whether people are switching now, the level of negativity I see toward Windows has been surprisng. I think Techspot may be the LEAST negative; pcworld, all these tech sites inlcuding those that used to be magazines, it's like "Welp, what is Microsoft up to this time?", you find out quite a few of the techs at these sites still *report* on Windows but switched to Mac or Linux for their own uses. Even when Windows 8 came out, there were some who found the positive aspects of it, I haven't seen that with Win11. Having used Win11 myself (in a VM, no bare metal) I can say it boots faster than Win10, ran a bit faster, and the objectional parts of the Win11 (shoving ads and weather that pop up at random) got backported to Win10 anyway... although the telemetry and ad stuff is crap, I will admit they've gotten the RAM use and speed on Win11 up to being pretty decent. But the tech press doesn't seem to even bring up the positives in general. Whether that'll start driving people away in larger numbers or they'll just stick with it, who knows?
 
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Again, you were the one claiming zero, and I'm showing that it's not.
This is just pedantism. Obviously I didn't mean literally zero, of course there are some tiny minority of people who migrate to Linux, but it's an insignificant amount compared to the how many people got Steam Decks, which is the vast overwhelming majority of the Linux growth on Steam.

And the Steam data doesn't contradict this, you are just assuming that new Linux users are coming from Macs
Again, this shows you either didn't read or didn't understand my comment. Here is a direct quote from my first comment for your convenience: "The growth of Linux on Steam has been at the expense of macOS, not Windows. That doesn't mean Apple users are switching to Linux, but it means Windows is also growing fast enough to maintain its share % while macOS was the only one whose growth stagnated."
Apple users aren't switching to Linux. What this means is that both Windows and Linux are growing, but macOS isn't, so over time the user share % of macOS shrinks.

How are you deciding that 45% of all Linux installs on the Steam Survey are Steam Decks?
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On the Steam survey you can switch the data table from "Windows, Mac and Linux" to "Linux only", and then it literally shows you that Steam Deck's OS is 45.34% of all Linux users, with the second largest distro being Arch with 7.90%.

Whether people are switching now, the level of negativity I see toward Windows has been surprisng.
And yet, when you look at StatCounter, Windows' marketshare is growing, not shrinking. Your comment is speculation not supported by the data.
 
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